Stefan wrote a post about usability issues with the new LibraryThing site, and combined with Amanda’s posts on trying out Library Thing and Reader2, I decided to give ‘em a whirl.
I decided to shamelessly copy Amanda’s approach of trying to catalog my manga collection, because sometimes I do lose track of how many volumes of a series I own, some of the long-running series have gaps in them (I did not pick up every single volume of Kare Kano Or Ruroni Kenshin) and working with a smaller subset sounds more manageable than trying to deal with my entire book collection.
However, I ran into a few problems, as is only to be expected since both of these services are in Beta.
I was totally confused by the login to Library Thing. I guess I have been conditioned to expect a separate login screen, and even though Library Thing promises a seamless login/registration process, I thought that I’d see something different when I clicked on the “signup” box at the top right of the screen, and was just directed to the index page again. It took a couple tries before I gave up and just entered in a user name and password and registered myself. If there are distinct links labeled “sign-up” and “sign-in” on a page I think they should go somewhere. Either that or remove them entirely, because I do expect when I see something underlined and blue that it will take me somewhere else. Hyperlinks should not be decorative.
I did like the way Library Thing makes it so easy to pillage titles from other user’s libraries and add them to my own. I was able to add some of the volumes that Amanda and I both own, with just a few clicks.
There aren’t a ton of manga already in other users’ libraries on Library Thing (that I could tell). If there were more volumes already there, it would be easier for me to document my collection without a ton of data entry.
Reader2 gave me error messages when I tried to register for an account when I was using firefox. When I switched to explorer it seemed to work just fine. Again, I was able to browse tags labeled manga and add the volumes that other users added to my own library. I liked the search functionality where I could find a book on Amazon and add it, but I kept accidentally adding google searches to my library, because when I hit the enter key, I performed a google search. So I would have to remember to hit the amazon button all the time. It seemed like a very strange way of setting up a search box for a form, where the button would do one thing, and the enter key would do another.
I thought the tag cloud in reader2 was a bit more robust than the tagging in LibraryThing. I liked being able to look up books in amazon, but I really hated that every time I entered a book I was redirected to a new page, when I wanted to continue to work with my amazon search results. It was incredibly frustrating when I had a list of 8 volumes of a manga series from an amazon search, but instead of working with the same list of search results, I had to keep entering in a new search string for amazon if I wanted to add in volume 2, 3, 4, etc
Both of the services really seem to support people adding single volumes of books, but I’m sure that I am a very atypical user.
For me right now, until adding multiple volumes is supported a bit more, I’m probably not going to be playing around with them much. LibraryThing might be more fun for you if you really dig library of congress cataloging data. Reader2 has better integration with amazon, so you can see all the pretty book covers. I’d like to see a totally different service that combines elements from both, with better usability.
Both of these services seem a bit too cumbersome for me right now. I think I’m going to wait until both are a bit further along in the development cycle before trying them again. I really want something to use that is very quick and easy. I don’t want to spend too much time on data entry, and until multiple volume works are supported a bit more in each service, they won’t really work for my purposes.
While I agree the sign up and sign in links at the top right are very confusing I’m more interested in your confusion of the “One-step sign up / sign in”. From a web design perspective it’s such a great implementation. People spend so much time fill out useless forms to get access to sites that it’s a usability goal to reduce the time filling out forums.
I guess my question is if you is if you were confused because you are used to a more complicated forum system? Or just thought this implementation was poorly executed? I was in love with the sign up / sign in but then I’ve been reading about these problems for a long time.
I was mainly confused because it said that there was a one-step sign up/sign in, but the links made me think that it was a multistep process. The sign up/sign in worked fine once I figured out that the links were meaningless.
I think I was also not expecting the process to be that simple, I haven’t come across a login process that easy before.
Adding books to Reader2 was written very fast and should be redone, it will be more user-friendly in several days
If you can describe in detail what you didn’t like in the service(s), I may add/change things in Reader2, cause I am a programmer, not UI/usability designer, and I desperately need feedback from users. So, if you want to, contact me by email.
My main quibble with LibraryThing was the incredible difficulty I had finding titles to add. For 90% of the titles I cataloged, I had to enter them by hand - which meant there was no Amazon image (even though I had bought several of these books off Amazon and thus knew they were available) and no LC record. Often, the first volume of a manga would be available, but none of the others.
I was much more satisfied with Reader2 because of the relative ease of adding books, even though the screen for manual addition of books in LibraryThing was more robust. One thing I would want from it would be the ability to add foreign-language books in the same place; I have all of CLAMP’s Tokyo Babylon, for example, in the original Japanese, as well as some other random volumes of manga.
Hi Dima: After I do a search and pull up a list of Amazon results, I’d like there to be checkboxes so I can add multiple volumes at once OR l’d like to have the option of returning to the Amazon search results screen after I add one book from the list.
I’d also like some support for Firefox. I haven’t been able to login to reader2 from Firefox at all, and that’s my main browser.
Amanda: Finding titles in LibraryThing was tricky for me, and you’d already done some of the work for me in adding some of the titles from your collection. I also really like to see covers when I’m dealing with manga, so it was a little frustrating that sometimes the covers would appear in LibraryThing and sometimes they wouldn’t.
I like the idea of multi-language item support, I have a bunch of Japanese manga as well.
tangognat: Can you contact me by email? I want to find what causes your firefox login problem. For me it works flawlessly.
Hello. (LibraryThing guy.) I agree with you on the sign-up/in, so I removed it. You’ll find it has a much higher success rate now, using both Amazon and the LC and bouncing them off each other until it finds what you need. I’ve also added more social features, blog widgets, most of the usability fixes Stephen suggested. It’s not “done,” but it’s making a lot of progress. And it hit 20,000 books today, double what it was two days ago.
Tim